I am writing this post since I am seeing a great deal of misunderstanding among some of my readers who are misled by the modern new age spirituality and the so called teachers who show a clean and calm professional image to the public.
I am coming from the land of avadhutas. They were fully awakened people who roamed in the streets with torn and dirty clothes, drank liquor, threw stones at people, cursed them and showed an image of a lunatic. And they were fully awakened. Their existence served a purpose. It was their prarabhdha karma to live their life this way and they still helped people in ways which were uncommon and controversial.
Trust me, spiritual path is a long journey full of adventure, unexpected turns and falls, and converts your whole life as a suspense thriller. The joy of living your life without knowing what happens next is something no Hollywood movie can give you.
So I want to give you a new perspective of this unending adventure. Many people stop somewhere in the path and make it their home; they find a secure spot, settle there and start teaching people. Soon, they fall for the fame they get and their further progress in the spirituality is completely stopped.
In the last four years, I have been very honest in documenting what has happened to me in the spiritual journey. If there is one thing that my beloved readers like about me, then it is nothing but honesty. I am not interested in making claims and attach a specific word to what happened to me. I have made that clear in my first book The Truth About Spiritual Enlightenment: Bridging Science, Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta, which is now with 62 ratings and an average rating of 4.5 out of 5. But many people do not know that your reading is not complete until you read my second book Discovering God: Bridging Christianity, Hinduism and Islam. Because I have said so much about spiritual awakening which I have not covered in my first book.
The quotes about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in my second book on those vasanas that remain after enlightenment and my clarification on bandha vasanas and bhoga vasanas will clarify a lot of misunderstandings. Because, people think that a person is completely out of all desires after enlightenment, which is not true. Some desires and some small amount of raga and dvesha should exist to keep an awakened person in the survival mode. Otherwise, life will not last in his body after 21 days. This is coming from ancient wisdom and it makes sense to me with my current way of experiencing life.
My post titled ‘My Life after Spiritual Enlightenment – The Untold side of Self-Realization‘ will further explain the untold side which has never been covered by any spiritual teacher. The reason is obvious. They didn’t get to face the society as a common man just like I did. I am not a spiritual teacher, which I have told you people several times. I am a common man who is living an awakened life while stepping on the thorns and stones of a raw simple social life. And that life is different. It is this life which you all will get to live after a complete spiritual awakening.
Before I talk about the subject matter you see in the title of the post, let me remind you of something that I have been telling you often. There is something called spiritual rebirth. You have to completely destroy yourself and reconstruct yourself. And this reconstructing yourself involves doing things which are totally opposite of what you did in the destructive phase.
Sadly, many people do not even get to this complete destruction because it is very scary. It is losing yourself completely. You have to go beyond pride and shame. This means, you dont even care to show the lunatic side of yourself. You can appear unenlightened to the majority and you still dont care. Santatagamana’s book on Turiya talks about this. To go through this Turiya, you have to stop teaching. Teachers can’t reach it.. Period. And I am not a teacher.
Once you are completely reborn, you have to reconstruct yourself by building intentions, a new self image, vasanas etc. Because, your spouse can’t tolerate someone who is devoid of emotions and desires. You would be too enlightened to be in a relationship. I have been through this and it is my personal experience. If you are too enlightened to live a social life, you are good for nothing except teaching spirituality. You might have millions of followers but no one would want to marry you. Without marriage and having children, you dont get to pass your genes to the next generation. And your enlightened genetics goes as a waste without giving it a chance to produce an offspring who will inherit some of those qualities. Only a few people know this secret.
Many people are familiar with the quote “die before you die”… Yes, you have to, if you want to progress on the spiritual path. But you can become a deva (twice born) or avatar if you know how to be reborn after you die before you die. No book can teach you that. Just facing the society by living as a common man will push you back into survival mode. You will retain the fulfillment of enlightenment while fully engaging with the world and the society by expressing all kinds of emotions including anger, tears etc. Emotions and pain can exist without suffering.
Suffering is personal. Buddha said, ‘There are two kinds of pain. The wise person stops with the first one’. That is what I am talking about. Some people might have gone beyond pain. But it is dangerous for the survival of the body.
Because each pain gives a message. Pain helps you to take care of the body. Pain tells you that something is wrong and you have to act. You may ask, ‘who cares.. After all I am not the body’. But why should you miss this potential and leave this area unexplored? Body will disappear one day anyway. Why shouldn’t you take care of the body and let it run as long as it can? It will allow you to fully swim through everything that this life has to offer.
The bottom line is this. Emotions, pain and vasanas can exist even after enlightenment. But the suffering is gone. Suffering is completely optional. You dont have to suffer; and you wont once you know how to go beyond it.
I feel that there is too much of a gap between the west and the east. The spiritual literature in the east is so vast and each book addresses different periods of a seeker’s journey. You will find huge differences between Bhagavad Gita, Ashtavakra Gita and Yoga Vasistha for example, and each book addresses the things that other books have missed out. A seeker’s journey is so long and has lots of ups and downs, surprises etc. Above all, books can only teach a little bit and it is the duty of the seeker to discover those things which are not addressed just using words. Also, having basic knowledge in Sanskrit helps to understand the true meaning of these texts, which I do. A lot of clarity is lost in translations.
Ramana himself kept reading spiritual literature for his entire life in order to assist seekers in a better way.
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2 thoughts on “Emotions, Pain and Suffering After Spiritual Enlightenment”
If one is truly self realised, being the Soul first and foremost (before any experiences, adoring life/god/source) ….then how can one still have cravings??? no no that is folklore in my book so to speak. sorry if i am blunt truth is not lukewarm. if one is truly living as a soul one has no more need for reward outside of himself or herself. still he/she can choose to smoke…being the soul has everything to do with being at one with the high vibration of life itself and nothing to do with the actions of the body…so smoking would then be a choice and not an addiction/craving. The reward of being the soul should be more than enough. no more sense of lack.
Being the soul bypasses the reward centre of the brain.
so also if being the soul is truly established in one, meeting with an old acquaintance or a difficult family member should be of no bother. Under any circumtances one remains as the Soul.
Self-realisation is loving life unconditionally…or it is bullshit (someone is claiming knowing brahman but not entirely there yet). sorry again to be blunt
Also while i am here just a word about the superstition of the body dying after 21 days in samadhi or some supreme state…that is so ridiculous. great story to keep people enslaved in believing they are their body and mind and not finding moksha/liberation. not seeking enlightenment.
this is just a lie brother!
After some time, from what i sense with my heart, you would simply have an idea, a thought from the supreme being/mind…and would then act out of unconditional love (eckhart tolle didn’t end up on a park bench for the rest of “his” life…no he wrote a book at some point …also while remaining a few months doing nothing, absorbed in brahman he didn’t get drunk and went down the streets throwing stones at people….how expressing love would that be ????
I still love you brother shanmugam!
and your Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ….such a controversial “enlightened” being…how can one be self realised in lets say in 1864 and 1866 he turned to islam….and a few years later, he turned to christianity….come on! obviously he was still seeking something outside of himself…suffering along the way from dysentery due to his internal torment.
also having aversion toward sex and money (his hand would bend whenever in contact with metal) ..having aversions is living in duality….this is not living the unconditional love of the Soul.
right i am done!!!!
thank you for reading.
Sorry Shanmugam…Had trouble with my computer and many upper cases are missing.
Here is the correct one….in case you would actually read me.
If one is truly SELF REALISED, being the SOUL FIRST AND FOREMOST (before any experiences, Adoring LIFE/GOD/SOURCE) ….then how can one would still have cravings??? no no that is folklore in my book so to speak. Sorry if I am blunt truth is not lukewarm. if one is truly living as a Soul one has no more need for reward outside of himself or herself. Still he/she can choose to smoke…being the Soul has everything to do with BEING AT ONE WITH THE HIGH VIBRATION OF LIFE ITSELF and NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTIONS OF THE BODY…so smoking would then be a choice and not an addiction/craving. The reward of being the Soul should be MORE THAN ENOUGH. NO MORE SENSE OF LACK.
BEING THE SOUL bypasses the reward centre of the brain.
So also if BEING THE SOUL is truly established in one, meeting with an old acquaintance or family member should be of no bother. UNDER ANY CIRCUMPTANCES ONE REMAINS AS THE SOUL.
SELF-REALISATION is loving LIFE unconditionally…or it is bullshit (someone is claiming knowing Brahman but not entirely there yet). Sorry again to be blunt
Also while I am here just a word about the superstition of the body dying after 21 days in Samadhi or some supreme state…that is so ridiculous. Great STORY to keep people enslaved in believing they are their body and mind AND NOT FINDING MOKSHA/LIBERATION. NOT SEEKING ENLIGHTENMENT.
THIS IS JUST A LIE BROTHER!
After some time, from what I sense with my heart, you would simply have an idea, a thought from the supreme BEING/MIND…and would then act out of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE (Eckhart Tolle didn’t end up on a park bench for the rest of “his” life…no he wrote a book at some point …also while remaining a few months doing nothing, absorbed in Brahman he didn’t get drunk and went down the street throwing stones at people….HOW EXPRESSING LOVE WOULD THAT BE ????
I still love you brother Shanmugam!
And about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ….such a controversial “enlightened” being…HOW CAN ONE BE SELF REALISED in lets say in 1864 and 1866 he turned to Islam….and a few years later, he turned to Christianity….Come on! obviously he was still seeking something outside of himself…
Also having aversion toward sex and money (his hand would bend whenever in contact with metal) ..HAVING AVERSIONS IS LIVING IN DUALITY….this is not living THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF THE SOUL.
Right I am done!!!!
Thank you for reading.
P:S I was also born on 26th September 🙂